1998 07 18
For starters, I repeat my 1963 statement on the subject.Whether communication is possible or impossible
depends on the message
(and on the culture)
(and only a tiny bit on the messenger).
depends on the message
(and on the culture)
(and only a tiny bit on the messenger).
Bibliography:
Communication by Gregory Bateson & Jurgen Ruesch, Norton, 1968.Some communications are easy.
Hey, gorgeous. Nice day!
Whoa, man: nice car!
American GIs learned this around the world, especially during and following WWII. Here the "Joe" is generic: the ragamuffin means any GI. Even the "gum" isn't necessarily specific. The kid will be happy if he gets a coin instead or perhaps a proposition for his sister.
Other communications are more problematical.
If the subject is a painting by Cézanne, the speaker still might find agreement. One listener might agree based solely on the matter of the painting: it's a still life with fruit, glass vessels, fabric ... he likes fruit. Another might agree solely out of fear of appearing crass: it's a painting — paintings are supposed to be beautiful. What does he know? Another might agree based solely on how many shades of color are gotten from a strictly limited palette. Still another might be considering nothing more than the flattening of the space, taking it to be a witty contribution to the dialogue about perspective that's been going great guns since the Renaissance. His buddy, thinking they're one, may merely recognize twentieth-century orthodoxy, started by Cézanne. The listener whose aesthetics have developed no further (in relation to the chronological "development" of Western painting) than Poussin or David may merely wrinkle his nose.
If the subject is a mathematical formula, most listeners will close their ears (if they hadn't already fled before the comment was made).
Americans are generous.
Happy Mother's Day.
Communication Scrapbook
Post-Larval Must Be Very Cautious in Communicating with Larval humans.
1999 09 09 Several places here now have already introduced some basic points about communication. Namely, it is not single-purposed, but is minimally dual-purposed: and thus ambiguous. To survive, predators must deceive their prey. Prey, to survive, may also deceive their predators. Camouflage is a tactic chosen by both predator and prey.
Social organization complicates the tactic. Large scale social organization complicates it enormously. Human civilization, kleptocratic in all literate examples, elevates, complicates the biosphere-wide tactic of camouflage in new ways: kleptocracy camouflages the camouflage. That is, we screen our true nature not just from our prey, but from ourselves. (Does the politician, disguised as a humanitarian, know of his deception? May he not believe his disguise himself? May not the priest too believe that he is a man of God?) (What could that possibly mean? Man of God? That’s an oxymoron, isn’t it?)
Why not? We’ve become our own prey. (Oh, we’ve always killed each other. Not like now! Civilization has found ever new methods: including military, social, and economic parasitism.)
I copy in a bit written yesterday to make the same points in another context [link to be added]:
The same points initiated development here in Deception in Evolution [link to be added]. It’s important for members of a group to know friend from foe. Hence, we homogenize ourselves within the group. Language, dialect, costume, uniform, habits, religion ... these are some of the ways in which we identify ourselves to ourselves. It’s important for friends practicing expansion, offensive defense, etc., to infiltrate the foe undetected, whether for conquest, subversion, or seduction. I read in a bit more of yesterday’s piece:
(Soon after writing this, I developed the point far more thoroughly at Macroinformation [see Information].)
"Francisco’s" presence on the Danish castle wall already tells us that Hamlet’s Denmark was far from homogeneous. What kind of a Danish name is that? Hamlet has been to Wittenberg to study. Another country. Another language. Different customs. (All Germanic, but "friends" sub-divide as their population grows, expands. See also my Tower of Babel. [link to be added]) His school fellows visit. Hamlet can’t decide whether they’re friend or foe. Quite right: they too are seduced by the deceiver. Modern life.
The bushman knows his friend from his food. We don’t. Expanding populations deceive themselves in every possible way. We deceive ourselves in our cosmology, our theology ... We have a kleptocrat for a God, hierarchically, magically, ruling a universe by arbitrary laws. And we say it’s the Truth. Everything we know with any degree of objectivity is incompatible with this cosmology and this theology. Expanding populations are ruled by magicians who turn the world into a theater. Shakespeare used theater correctly to identify us. Our political magi use theater to control the lighting, to control information, to choreograph our illusions ...
Human communication is deeply ambiguous: to identify ..., but more, to mis-identify.
Other modules here probe the parallel ambiguity of other core words: truth is it what is?
or what we
say is?
A few of our grossest institutionally abetted self-delusions:
That the real truth is illusion and our fake truth is real.
That forty-million Frenchmen thinking something makes it so.
That is doesn’t matter what we do to the real world: God will bail us out.
That the God we created is in charge of real reality.
That we’re the center, the protagonist, the point ... of anything not imaginary.
That we’re neither plant nor animal, but something magically privileged.
That we’re not predators.
How can we be? Since it’s all for us, taking what’s ours isn’t predation
Honey, predation is natural. Ubiquitous. At least in the only biosphere we know. We’re the biggest and baddest predator that biosphere has ever seen.
Note that the basic theme of my first novel was communication: specifically, failure of communication. The alien enters the solar system riding on a comet, the comet gets zapped, other aliens millions of years later hear his SOS. The human astronauts never knew what they were dealing with and now they’ve really pissed-off the new arrivals.
2000 08 25
My story had been based on that of an anthropologist to Indonesia. That source-story showed its victim-of-a-failure-of-human-communication to be a linguist of sorts, literate, at least minimally, in a minimum of three languages. (See my novel’s own file: By the Hair of the Comet.[link to be added]) I made my "character" literate in at least three galactic languages. The victim of human inflexibility in today’s news, poor bastard, may only have spoken his native tongue. I’m going to get more on the story right now.
I just added an image to my Faith module relevant to several other modules. Till I’m sure how best to develop it for Waterman as a whole, I sprinkle it:
I must establish the concept of communicational resistance at Macroinformation [see Information].
Robert Anton Wilson, of Illuminatus! fame, has an absolutely delicious point to make about communication, which I will paraphrase until I locate and paste the actual statement. He says that communication is possible only among equals. (If that were strictly true, there could be no communication at all.) If I’m holding a gun (even if my gun is concealed in a silo), I can get you to cringe, perhaps to grovel - maybe you’ll rebel and attack me - but there can be no honest communication between us.
(Ah: now I see: I’d already made the point in my own way under Understanding.)
How well can the occupied French communicate with the occupying Nazis? The problems don’t end with the French speaking French while the Nazis speak German.
How well could the Dachau concentrated communicate with their concentrators? Could they even communicate that they were human?
How well can the Cheyenne on the Trail of Tears communicate with soldiers driving them on to their destruction?
How well can the Chicago protesters communicate with Daly’s cops? or with the Democratic conventioneers? How well with the silent majority?
How civilly could the cultivated Pope discuss theology with the rabid atheist? How about a cultured atheist and a rabid pope? How civilly could a cultivated Pope discuss theology with a cultivated atheist? Would the pope go to the atheist’s coffee shop? How could the atheist get into the Vatican?
How well could an M theorist discuss meta-dimensions with the cosmologist who gave us the turtle holding up Atlas?
I just separated this file from the parent. I’ll try to apportion some of this to independent titles in this subfolder.
The protagonist of JM Coetzee’s Disgrace finds the handbook for the Communications 101 course he unhappily teaches preposterous: Human society has created language in order that we may communicate our thoughts, feelings an dintentions to each other. [Christmas! shades of Jacques Barzun.] "His own opinion, which he does not air, is the the origins of speech lie in song, and the origins of song in the need to fill out with sound the overlarge and rather empty human soul."
I like that last part very well. Still, it’s nothing compared with my own views: or with the views of current gender evolution theory as per Geoffrey Miller in The Mating Mind.

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